More Foreign Legion options?

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CarlL
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More Foreign Legion options?

Post by CarlL » 31 Jul 2019, 20:47

Well this set gets a pasting from its reviewer due to lack of historical footing, or as the reviwer puts it, "Strelets disregard history and portray something commonly seen in movies and TV" as reality or historical! But then we can do fantasy games too.

It may be a set of interest to early 20th century gamers: Strelets Set 192 French Foreign Legion Desert Patrol, has been reviewed over on Plastic Soldier Review website see http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=2531 where you will find lots of photos.

As somebody else recently commented the French tended to employ "locals" into camelry units and you are more likely to find French Legion on mules!
Interesting mounted officer here! But not sure they used the lewis MG as well as the Hotchkiss? We know a man who will know.

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Re: More Foreign Legion options?

Post by ianrs54 » 01 Aug 2019, 07:36

Cant comment on the MG's, but the camels are more historic than people think. Yes for fat troop moves the legion used mules, but they did use camels for long range patrols.

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Re: More Foreign Legion options?

Post by Richard B. » 01 Aug 2019, 08:10

ianrs54 wrote:
01 Aug 2019, 07:36
Cant comment on the MG's, but the camels are more historic than people think. Yes for fat troop moves the legion used mules, but they did use camels for long range patrols.

IanS
Sorry Ian, the French Colonial Army had a camel corps - Saharienne, Their job was long range patrols and showing the flag.
The Legion were almost exclusively infantry, and used in static roles plus road building, etc except the noted mule "mounted" companies (basically a QRF) and the later Legion Cavalry who worked side by side with the Saharienne policing and patrolling the frontiers.

Whilst i freely accept The legion could have had camel patrols, I wouldn`t use these as such (why would you??), but those figures would actually make useful white/French NCOs/officers for the Saharienne (I used Tumbling Dice British Camel Corps).

As for the Lewis - hardly a wrist slitting issue, as the reviewer says, if you don`t want to use it - bin him :)
"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
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Re: More Foreign Legion options?

Post by ITALWARS » 10 Aug 2019, 21:53

As concern Légionaires and Compagnies Sahariennes (mounted on camels of course) fighting in the desert "side to side" and maybe against Touaregs mounted (on camel) warriors...there is a false myth generated from Hollywood, Pulp stories, iconography and of course..and sorry for that...wargamers ;) ....The Légion infantry as Mr R B said was a static infantry manning forts and used as a kind of "Force de frappe" together with native units like goumiers or tirailleurs algériens when those ones were not sufficient to quel a revolt or a razzia..they were of course expendable but not enough also if being proscribed , sort of scum ....but in any case Europeans they were and equipped with good weapons like artillery and MGs...they built roads, forts, wells, tanks ecc..and their main role was, unfortunatly for the ego of their officers, to escort short range caravans like at El Mounghar...even with the "QRF" mule born Compagnies Montées..in some occasions they had their share of glory like in Morocco eccc...but the true (and deceiving for us wargamers) reality is that they never marched deep in the Saharian Desert, they never used camels, they never, above all, saw action against nomadic iconic tribes like Touaregs..like in Beau Geste and like what every (more or less) manufacture of minis and wargamers try to let us believe...The famous camel counted, blue veiled, Touaregs were succesfully countered, after quite a few débacles caused by sending against them poor foot or badly mounted/trained auxiliaries, only by the Compagnies Sahariennes who operated far into the desert..
so i can summarize in very broad therms:
- a Légionaire never saw a camel and viceversa
- a Légionaire never saw a Touareg except in the "Le Petit Journal" or "Le petit Parisien"
- a Touareg never saw a Roumi (in our case a Légionaire) except maybe the insane Père Foucauld or a few French Affaires Indigènes 's officers leading the Goumiers or the Méharistes.
in conclusion and in wargames therms:
- you can field your Légionaires Vs horse mounted or foot arabs/berabers
- You can field the Camel Mounted Compagnies Sahariennes against Camel Mounted Touaregs warriors
- if you take the road of the Sahara Desert from the side of Afrique Equatoriale you can even send against Camel Mounted Touaregs the good willing foot Tirailleurs Sénégalais some of them even organised in Camel Mounted units.
about Lewis guns and camels from the Strelets set ..as, R said, they are useful to convert something else...

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Re: More Foreign Legion options?

Post by Richard B. » 12 Aug 2019, 10:55

ITALWARS wrote:
10 Aug 2019, 21:53
As concern Légionaires and Compagnies Sahariennes (mounted on camels of course) fighting in the desert "side to side" and maybe against Touaregs mounted (on camel) warriors...there is a false myth generated from Hollywood, Pulp stories, iconography and of course..and sorry for that...wargamers ;) ....The Légion infantry as Mr R B said was a static infantry manning forts and used as a kind of "Force de frappe" together with native units like goumiers or tirailleurs algériens when those ones were not sufficient to quel a revolt or a razzia..they were of course expendable but not enough also if being proscribed , sort of scum ....but in any case Europeans they were and equipped with good weapons like artillery and MGs...they built roads, forts, wells, tanks ecc..and their main role was, unfortunatly for the ego of their officers, to escort short range caravans like at El Mounghar...even with the "QRF" mule born Compagnies Montées..in some occasions they had their share of glory like in Morocco eccc...but the true (and deceiving for us wargamers) reality is that they never marched deep in the Saharian Desert, they never used camels, they never, above all, saw action against nomadic iconic tribes like Touaregs..like in Beau Geste and like what every (more or less) manufacture of minis and wargamers try to let us believe...The famous camel counted, blue veiled, Touaregs were succesfully countered, after quite a few débacles caused by sending against them poor foot or badly mounted/trained auxiliaries, only by the Compagnies Sahariennes who operated far into the desert..
so i can summarize in very broad therms:
- a Légionaire never saw a camel and viceversa
- a Légionaire never saw a Touareg except in the "Le Petit Journal" or "Le petit Parisien"
- a Touareg never saw a Roumi (in our case a Légionaire) except maybe the insane Père Foucauld or a few French Affaires Indigènes 's officers leading the Goumiers or the Méharistes.
in conclusion and in wargames therms:
- you can field your Légionaires Vs horse mounted or foot arabs/berabers
- You can field the Camel Mounted Compagnies Sahariennes against Camel Mounted Touaregs warriors
- if you take the road of the Sahara Desert from the side of Afrique Equatoriale you can even send against Camel Mounted Touaregs the good willing foot Tirailleurs Sénégalais some of them even organised in Camel Mounted units.
about Lewis guns and camels from the Strelets set ..as, R said, they are useful to convert something else...
A very good complete post - thanks
"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908

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