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#1 06-Nov-2017 22:38:25

panzerman44
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Elhiem Late War SS Bttn for RF

Here we go, been doing a bit of painting. Main thing learnt so far is how long it’s been since I have done figure painting. Sooo rusty! Hope it gets better as I go along.....

Here is the first figure done. In no way shape or form is this the finished article, just a first time picking up a brush for the first time in months, and it shows.

I purposely kept it simple with no cammo trousers or helmets, these will follow as I improve.

I'm sort of happy with some (but not most...) of the techniques for the cammo, but NOT the colors. I will be doing more of a summer/spring scheme, I have a few ideas, so will try that out next.....

I made the big mistake of getting Daryl's figures out to compare......I am NOT in the same league. Will have a gander for inspiration in the future, but will not compare, I ain't anywhere close. 

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Another one done, with the previous for comparison.

Tried to get the same effect, but had trouble with dot size, I need to get it more consistent....

And they look terrible close up, I much prefer them from about 12" away with my dim eyes.

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Also did one of these to help me remember the steps. I need to do another 3 different schemes, next up is summer.

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Done another two, this time in an attempt at summer cammo......

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Another attempt.........happier with the colors, still working on my technique......

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#2 07-Nov-2017 08:09:03

Richard B.
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Re: Elhiem Late War SS Bttn for RF

Blimey John - that is clever smile


"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908

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#3 07-Nov-2017 16:30:58

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I like your 'step-by-step' guide to painting the camouflage smile

Grant


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#4 07-Nov-2017 17:57:02

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Re: Elhiem Late War SS Bttn for RF

Nice stuff John ,difficult to get to scale. If I had the tech knowledge I would post some of my own waffen ss. Thanks for posting.   cheers  John

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#5 07-Nov-2017 21:07:19

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Second that on the colour grid great idea

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#6 08-Nov-2017 15:16:20

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Nice. The big question though...how long does it take and how many have you got to do? It'll be interesting to see how much your process changes and speeds up as you work through 'em...

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#7 08-Nov-2017 20:36:12

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Seret wrote:

Nice. The big question though...how long does it take and how many have you got to do? It'll be interesting to see how much your process changes and speeds up as you work through 'em...

63, and after tonites session I have managed 11 so far. I manage about 2 figures per day.......to be honest the guys with the fausts are the first ones I am happy with, so maybe I am getting there at last. They have much smaller dot size and a better mix of (less) colors. See what tomorrow brings.

First three, 2 have autumn planetree uniform, 1 has summer planetree, and all 3 have M44 trousers.

Apologies for the awful pics, a combination of poor shed lighting and my totally inept photographic skills. They look nothing like the real colors!

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Nicht Kleckern sondern Klotzen!
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#8 08-Nov-2017 20:58:22

Richard B.
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Wow...........


"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908

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#9 09-Nov-2017 01:17:12

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Nice work with the pointalism ... Don't think I can still see dots that small without a magnifying lens, and from  other side of table I might struggle to see anything smaller than 20mm figures!
I would struggle to get dots this small with a fine point pen so god knows what brush you are using? Mind it seems to be as much town do with paint load as brush size when I have tried such details.
I assume these are 20mm rather than 28mm?
What make of figures are the lovely panzerfaust carriers? Great pose, looks worried and in hasty shooting style, as you might be getting close enough to damage the tank!
CarlL

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#10 09-Nov-2017 14:21:17

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Ive painted a lot of different camo,s and the difficulty I find is getting it to scale.
However , there are time due to the nature of scaling down , even though it may be a fair approximation scale wise , aesthetically it just doesn't look right ,and its better to do something that is representative of the camo ,but it should still represent the pattern.   

A really good reference source is Camopedia.     http://Camopedia.org
   
              cheers  John

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#11 10-Nov-2017 07:23:11

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Very nice work, but far to detailled for my eyesight/painting skills


What's the point of doing one period, when you can do them all..........  In life most people specialise so gradually they know more and more about less and less so eventually they know everything about nothing.  I work on a broad front so eventually I'll know nothing about everything.

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#12 10-Nov-2017 09:37:02

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bannockburn bhoy wrote:

Ive painted a lot of different camo,s and the difficulty I find is getting it to scale.
However , there are time due to the nature of scaling down , even though it may be a fair approximation scale wise , aesthetically it just doesn't look right ,and its better to do something that is representative of the camo ,but it should still represent the pattern.

I agree, you should modulate what you're doing appropriately for the scale. This goes for colours as well as patterns. You get a lot of people asking the "correct" colour for their tanks on places like TMP. But a tank in 6mm shouldn't be the same colour as one in 28mm, or as the real life prototype. Same goes for patterns. You just can't scale down the pattern perfectly, it's about coming up with something that gives the right impression.

The Farnworth Guides on the Artizan site are really helpful, too: https://www.artizandesigns.com/painting-guides.php.

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#13 10-Nov-2017 10:10:30

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CarlL wrote:

Nice work with the pointalism ... Don't think I can still see dots that small without a magnifying lens, and from  other side of table I might struggle to see anything smaller than 20mm figures!
I would struggle to get dots this small with a fine point pen so god knows what brush you are using? Mind it seems to be as much town do with paint load as brush size when I have tried such details.
I assume these are 20mm rather than 28mm?
What make of figures are the lovely panzerfaust carriers? Great pose, looks worried and in hasty shooting style, as you might be getting close enough to damage the tank!
CarlL

They are very small, but compared to some painted figures I’ve just received they are huge, I struggle to see them even with glasses.
For mine I use a 10/0 brush for the dots. I find the best brush is one that is past it’s prime and has developed a slight hook at the tip.
They are 20mm figures from Elhiem Miniatures. I commissioned the range, so want to do them justice when it comes to painting.
I know the detail gets lost on the table, but want to do a special job on these.


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#14 10-Nov-2017 10:13:23

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Seret wrote:
bannockburn bhoy wrote:

Ive painted a lot of different camo,s and the difficulty I find is getting it to scale.
However , there are time due to the nature of scaling down , even though it may be a fair approximation scale wise , aesthetically it just doesn't look right ,and its better to do something that is representative of the camo ,but it should still represent the pattern.

I agree, you should modulate what you're doing appropriately for the scale. This goes for colours as well as patterns. You get a lot of people asking the "correct" colour for their tanks on places like TMP. But a tank in 6mm shouldn't be the same colour as one in 28mm, or as the real life prototype. Same goes for patterns. You just can't scale down the pattern perfectly, it's about coming up with something that gives the right impression.

The Farnworth Guides on the Artizan site are really helpful, too: https://www.artizandesigns.com/painting-guides.php.


Yep, it’s practicallly impossible to reproduce in 20mm, and if you could you wouldn’t be able to see it. To give an impression of the cameo is the way to go rather than reproduce.


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#15 10-Nov-2017 16:10:30

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Well done panzerman44, its a great job, and you knowing they look good up close is what counts even when they are six feet away on tabletop!
I must look in on the Elheim ranges once more.
I bought some late war infantry from Reiver before they sold their 20mm ranges, with a view to painting them as Luftwaffe regiment but didnt get further than deflashing and priming! Your efforts and idea re colour blend chart inspires me to have a go at their jackets, but my dots won't be as refined as your work. Just inspired by it!

CarlL

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#16 12-Nov-2017 18:09:52

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Recieved the AK Waffen SS Fall/Winter set yesterday, so managed today to quickly get these done, just a test paint of trousers for now. If I can get the dots down to a consistent size I might like these......the colors look okay to me.

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#17 12-Nov-2017 19:30:46

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Lovely work, panzerman44, and nice camera work too!
Clear shots for such small objects. I doubt I could get lighting or clarity these days, mine would be all reflections and blurr..
Enjoy.
CarlL

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#18 13-Nov-2017 07:05:45

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Taking photos of miniatures needn't be that hard, Carl. Use a tripod, put the camera into macro mode. Use tons of diffuse lighting, preferably from several angles. Job done.

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#19 13-Nov-2017 15:25:42

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The last pic was done as suggested, I use a supermacro zoom setting, but hand held the camera.
I think the pic turned out well because the sun was shining thru the window onto the shelf, so I put the figure on the box because of that.
All the previous pics were taken at nite with poor lighting.


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#20 14-Nov-2017 09:17:56

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Happy with these two, the scheme on these (my attempt at fall oakleaf) with the 2 pzfaust guys posted previously (my attempt at peadot) will form the main color schemes for the Bttn, with a few spring/summer oakleaf and planetree thrown in (still working on those schemes...).

Pics taken in just daylight, not very bright, will try again later if the sun comes out....

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And pics with artificial lighting.....

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#21 14-Nov-2017 10:56:17

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Stunning - you must have eyes like s**t-house rat smile


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#22 14-Nov-2017 16:00:13

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Looking good. Really shows how different colours can look based on the light. What sort of bulb is your artificial light? Is it a "daylight" one?

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#23 14-Nov-2017 17:36:00

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Richard B. wrote:

Stunning - you must have eyes like s**t-house rat smile


Richard Its great to see a Welshman carrying on with the traditional Welsh love of poetry ,for a moment there I

thought it was Dylan Thomas incarnate.

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#24 14-Nov-2017 22:00:59

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Re: Elhiem Late War SS Bttn for RF

Is it a wargames thing?  Playing laser tag some years ago we learnt fast that clean white hands and face was a dead give away.  Surely the SS would have learnt to darken their hands as a minimum and blackened their faces, yet wargames figures regularly have clean hands and faces.  This for folk in every other way want perfect scale models and colours.

Brian on holiday and a bit bored! :-).

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#25 14-Nov-2017 22:19:50

panzerman44
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Richard B. wrote:

Stunning - you must have eyes like s**t-house rat smile

Not really, I use a set of cheap prescription glasses from Wilkes which are the next step up from my normal glasses. That way I get a magnified view, without them I couldn’t do it.... :-)


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