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#1 31-Aug-2017 18:03:25

Richard B.
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Interesting photo

Reading (for review) Yom Kippur 1973 by Peter Baxter came across this interesting photo (strangely the author only calls it a Syrian tank on the Golan Heights??)

Now i`ve heard the stories of German WW2 tanks and stugs on Golan, but this looks like a Panzer III to me??

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#2 31-Aug-2017 18:59:54

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Re: Interesting photo

Not sure about Panzer III's, but Syria did have a some Panzer IV's and Stug's they bought/acquired from France and Czechoslovakia in the late 50's/early 60's. The Panzer IV's did see battle and mostly were destroyed or captured, and then emplaced in static locations by the Israeli's. not sure what happened to the Stug's though.

Grant

P.S. They also captured some old T-34/85's which were emplaced in static locations as well.

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#3 31-Aug-2017 20:09:38

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Re: Interesting photo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_contin … 4c2VeBKI68

The wars in Syria,Iraq and Afghanistan have uncovered lots of old gear, Italian cv33's in Iraq, piles of Sturmgewehr 44 rifles in Syria and ammunition and Ft17 tanks in Kabul.....several videos on YouTube showing the goodies!


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#4 31-Aug-2017 23:46:43

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Re: Interesting photo

Definitely a Panzer IV Richard. The rear deck gives it away.
http://figurfanatikern.blogspot.co.uk/2 … anzer.html
The Panzer III has a very different rear deck. Good shots on this page.
http://www.militarymodelling.com/forums … ?th=102958

Cheers Fred.

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#5 01-Sep-2017 07:47:24

Richard B.
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Re: Interesting photo

Fred - I see what you mean, certainly a Pz IV smile

Interesting photo though, can`t imagine why the author didn`t highlight it in his text??


"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908

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#6 01-Sep-2017 09:01:06

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Re: Interesting photo

Here is an interesting summary for you to compare with the book
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom … 09-01A.pdf

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#7 01-Sep-2017 11:13:38

Richard B.
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Re: Interesting photo

Cheers Alan wink


"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
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#8 01-Sep-2017 11:55:37

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Re: Interesting photo

yes a pz4 i reckon


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#9 01-Sep-2017 12:33:19

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Re: Interesting photo

Syrian PzIV  captured 1967 ( about 100 from France and Czechoslovakia)  Mainly Ausf D, G, H and J versions; and it was not uncommon for them to be “half-breeds” or "Frankensteins" between the types, especially those repaired after WWII.
pz4turret.jpg?w=809
Some had 12.7  Dshka mounted on cuploa

Syrian StuG III captured 1967 (28 supplied by Czechoslovakia, Spain and Romania) plus others for spares
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With SAFAT 12.7mm AA MG
stugiiimount.jpg

Syrian JagdPzIV L/48 1960s (6)
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Hummel  with SAFAT AAMG (5)
hummel.jpg?w=809

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#10 02-Sep-2017 17:21:00

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Re: Interesting photo

A fairly comprehensive article on Syrian use of ex-German WW2 armor can be found here:

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/201 … n-heights/

David

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#11 04-Sep-2017 12:11:22

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Re: Interesting photo

David Reasoner wrote:

A fairly comprehensive article on Syrian use of ex-German WW2 armor can be found here:

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/201 … n-heights/

David

That's the article I remember reading but couldn't find again.

Cheers David smile

Grant


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#12 01-Oct-2017 12:56:10

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Re: Interesting photo

Looking at the second picture in Dadlamassu's post (centred on the Stug), isn't that a Charioteer in the background?
Ian

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#13 01-Oct-2017 15:04:06

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Re: Interesting photo

Blockhead123 wrote:

Looking at the second picture in Dadlamassu's post (centred on the Stug), isn't that a Charioteer in the background?
Ian

I think so.  They were used by Lebanon, Jordan and PLO (ex Lebanese)

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#14 02-Oct-2017 08:12:47

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Re: Interesting photo

I'd agree that it is a Charioteer, Jordan had a fair few, which is the source for the other armies in the region.


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