Cold War Spanish

Conflicts and wars from the end of the Second World War to the end of the 20th century.
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It would be German stuff. My understanding is that the Blue Divison was basically organised as a Heer Infantry Divison, 1941 version.
Any thing bigger than 6 is TOO BIG
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thanks Ian , i was hoping there was some quirky Spanish stuff in there , like the Italians. cheers
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I would dig further, but remember that the Nationalist armies had been re-equipped by Germany, sand logistics on the Eastern Front were bad enough without strange kit.
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bannockburn bhoy wrote: 31 Jul 2021, 10:02 Anybody point me in the direction of any 20mm kit for the Spanish on the Eastern Front WW2 vehichles etc. cheers John
Organisation of the 250th Infantry Division 25th July, 1941
During my reading I have come up with no less than five different varied organisations for the division. Here’s the best sense I could make, please read the notes.
Divisional HQ (189 all ranks) commander: Gen. Munoz Grandes, 2IC: Col. Miguel Rodrigo Matinez, Chief of Operations: Lt. Col. Romero Mazariegos
262nd Infantry Regiment (3,012 all ranks) commander: Col. Pedro Pimental Zayas [note 1]
263rd Infantry Regiment (3,012 all ranks) commander: Col. Josee Vierna Trapaga
269th Infantry Regiment (3,012 all ranks) commander: Col. Jose Martinez Esparza
250th Artillery Regiment (2,793 all ranks) commander: Col. Jesus Badillo Perez [note 2]
250th Panzerjager Battalion (574 all ranks) [note 3]
250th cannon group (531 all ranks) [note 4]
250th Reserve Battalion (601 all ranks) [note 5] commander: Commandante Armesto
250th Reconnaissance Battalion (?) [note 6]
Signal group (511 all ranks) commander: Major Antonio Barrera
Engineer Battalion (714 all ranks) [note 7] commander: Lt. Col. Goicoechea
Transport services (1,034 all ranks) [note 8]
Quartermaster services (267 all ranks)
Medical Services (518 all ranks) [note 9] commander: Major Fernandez
Veterinary service (237 all ranks) commander: Manuel Galindo
Military Police (33 all ranks)
Military Post Office (18 all ranks)
Total ………………………………. 17,046

1. Each infantry regiment had:
Regimental HQ
A signal platoon
A Engineer Platoon (3 LMGs)
A bicycle reconnaissance platoon
1st, 2nd & 3rd Infantry Battalions with:
3 Infantry Companies (12 LMGs, 3 AT rifles, 2 50mm mortars). Each company had an assault platoon (this platoon had a high proportion of automatics, captured Russian PPSH41s and DP light machine guns were popular).
1 Machinegun Company (12 HMGs, 6x80mm mortars)
Regimental Anti-tank Company (MOT) (4 LMGs, 12 37mm PAK36 guns)
2. The artillery regiment had:
Regimental HQ
Signal Platoon
1st, 2nd & 3rd Battalions each of:
3 batteries 105mm FH18 guns (4 guns/battery + 3 LMGs for close defence)
4th Battalion of:
3 batteries of 150mm (4 guns/battery + 3 LMGs for close defence)
All guns were horse-drawn; no towing vehicles were ever issued. At least one of the 4th Battalion batteries was supplied with captured 155mm French weapons.
3. Panzerjager Battalion with:
1 (MOT) Signal Platoon
3 (MOT) Panzerjager Companies each with:
2x 50mm PAK38 and 9x 37mm guns + 6 LMGs
This battalion was often referred to by the Spanish term “Group” which causes some confusion (see cannon group below). The vehicles for this battalion were confiscated French cars and trucks (Peugeots, Packards and Hustons etc).
4. 250th Cannon Group with:
3-4 batteries of 75mm leIG (a total of 18 guns)
2 batteries of 150mm sIG (a total of 6 guns)
All the infantry guns from each of the three Regimental Gun Companies appear to have been grouped together under divisional command (the Spanish system). All these weapons were horse towed.
5. 250th Reserve Battalion with:
Battalion HQ
3 Rifle Companies (12 LMGs, 3 AT rifles, 2 50mm mortars). As with regular battalions each company had an assault platoon.
This unit was formed with the excess men from the original 4th Regiment that arrived from Spain. The battalion was organised as an emergency reserve, but also fought as an assault battalion. By mid 1943 loses meant that the battalion was absorbed into the three line regiments.
6. 250th Reconnaissance Group
Battalion HQ
(MOT) panzerjager company (3 37mm PAK36 guns, 1 LMG)
2 Cavalry Squadrons (3 50mm mortars, 2 HMGs, 9 LMGs, 3 AT rifles)
This unit is another anomaly not listed under the official TO&E but often mentioned in combat reports and listed by both Nafziger and Micromark. This is a composite organisation based on all the material available; all men had bicycles (I’ve read no evidence of mounted cavalry). The unit officers appear to have been ex-cavalry hence squadrons and not companies. This unit was given a high proportion of automatics.
7. 250th Engineer Battalion
Battalion HQ
Signal platoon
Light supply column, horse drawn (2 LMGs)
3 Pioneer companies (9 LMGs, 3 AT rifles)
1st company had bicycles, this battalion was equipped for assault tasks and was issued with large numbers of automatics, they also bought German and captured Russian SMGs whenever possible.
8. Transport Services
9 light supply columns (only 3 motorised the rest horse drawn)
Fuel column (MOT)
Maintenance platoon (MOT)
Light supply company (horse drawn)
Bakery company (horse drawn)
Butchery company (MOT)

The Spanish believed that they were to form a motorised division so had included many of the required specialists for such a formation (mechanics, drivers etc). The Germans tried to get the Spanish to bring their own vehicles which was impossible so the division became an infantry division along German lines including horse drawn transport. Many mechanics and drivers from Spanish cities found themselves having to tend to horses for the first time. When the division left for Russia it had: 6,000 horses and 800 vehicles.
9. Medical Services
This figure includes 38 female nurses, in addition there were 25 chaplains attached to the division.
"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908
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Thanks Richard, pretty much confirms what I said - it was organised as German infantry division.
Any thing bigger than 6 is TOO BIG
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Richard...thanks for that ,the will save me a lot of digging about. I knew you were the go to guy for the SCW but i didn't expect this. Again im planning to put an ad hoc unit together . I like the idea of the French vehicles so i will look into that.

cheers mate...appreciated. :D :D :D John
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Gentlemen...my apologies ive just realised i took this completely off thread...another senior moment im afraid... :oops:
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bannockburn bhoy wrote: 01 Aug 2021, 15:25 Richard...thanks for that ,the will save me a lot of digging about. I knew you were the go to guy for the SCW but i didn't expect this. Again im planning to put an ad hoc unit together . I like the idea of the French vehicles so i will look into that.

cheers mate...appreciated. :D :D :D John
John

No problem, La Division Azul has been a research project for yrs and yrs Gen. Munoz Grandes served in Morocco with Franco and later commanded a Regiment during the Civil War.

I`ve recently acquired some original feldpost photographs which were created to allow the soldados to send picture postcards home - a bit expensive at 80 euro for the set of 11 photos (should have been 12) in their original envelope, but hey ho. :D
"“Sir with the compliments of my officer, your shooting was excellent – you killed four of our men”!
Un-named Traillieur to an artillery officer at R`Fakah, Morocco, Feb. 29th, 1908
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Cheers Richard...if you can put photos of them on here that would be really interesting.
One missing , thats' a pity mate....be safe. John
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